Damn these threads, now I'm obsessing over my tonearm and set up again. Curved configurations in most cases cannot be reconfigured. Curved vs. straight: 1. www.musicdirect.com has many isolation platforms, but the heavy foot-falls will require more than that. Hi Keith In a pivoted tonearm, the offset angle of the cartridge and the length of the tonearm is what determines the tracking error, not the actua The S-shaped tonearm is ideal for maintaining tracking accuracy and gives better tractability across the record, less arcing, and its great when using a micro groove stylus. After i do the bracing perhaps an isolation platter would do what is needed. Either way, you have a lot of excellent choices to consider. Basic physics is at work here. I think you are confusing the issue. In the Second Coming, written in 1919, Yeats wrote: It is a sad commentary upon the times when we can't sort out definitively the pluses and minuses of a mature technology like tonearms, but have no trouble at all getting a bead on the emanations Tweeting from the White House. The turntable issue is more one of should you upgrade your phono stage first. What turntable are you going to get Keith? Like many trends in turntable design, the bends give no appreciable advantage in resonance control. I currently use an Exact 2 in my Rega. It is a rather hard concept to figure out but once the concept sinks in, it is a magic key to explain why there are weird shaped arms that make smoother sounding music. From this it, follows (?) It is necessary for the tonearm to have as little flex as possible. Hello everyone I'm new to the forum, thank you. I'm pretty sure they're used for radio but I want to know what the official name for one is. Straight Tone Arm Vs. Curved Tone Arm. Maybe the wise old hands can give me some advice. The idea behind curved tonearms is to reduce cartridge tracking error. Tracking was not nearly as reliable with massive S arm tables and carts. What's the official name for those turntables with a curved arm? You could also consider doing the same thing with a mid-priced Rega or other non-suspended table. by Abandonflip 10 Feb 2008 19:07, Post As you no doubt know, the S-shape is just so the headshell, where the cartridge is parallel to the sides of the headshell, fits. My apologies. Also a larger tube is more rigid than a small tube even if they weigh the same (tubes have good rigidity for their mass compared to a solid rod). You have to adjust the angle of your needle to the center of the tone arm column. I like Rega products, but I want to be able to use different cartridges and adjust VTA without using shims. Type: straightline tracking airbearing arm and turntable Effective arm mass: 10 grams Motor: belt driven, DC, 33/45 rpm Dimensions: 18.7** x 19.7** x 18.26** Weight: 50 lbs. But I hardly use it since my floor isn't sturdy enough and so walking is a very risky thing when a record is playing. Great question, one I've never had an answer for. Although it is correct to say that an "S" shaped tonearm often facilitates the incorporation of a removable head shell into the design, it is not axiomatic that this would be so. http://www.tubebooks.org/Books/intro_RDH4.pdf, http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=vinyl&m=650079, Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. The OP was talking about the difference between s-shaped and straight arms, both with a bent (offset) headshell. But bent, the pivot can be nearer the platter. Is this the first floor of your home and do you have a basement or a crawl space? Then I thought it was entirely based on having detachable headshells that a curved arm would allow to screw on "straight" onto the arm so the cartridge offset would be based on arm geometry while at the same time allowing headshell mounting to be "straight ahead.". Hi, for those bros have played enough with turntables: is there significant difference between the straight arm design vs the curved arm (J-shape, like the SL1200) in terms of sound quality? Because of the extra pivot offset, extra arm length, combined with the angled head shell and extra inertial weight, the angled arm benefits with much less groove angle distortion and, ultimately, smoother sounding music. Now all I need is to get the boommobiles to go away. In a scratch DJ arm, the needle will "underhang" or come up short about 3/8" behind the spindle. I'm fairly new to the TT side of things so if anyone else xam correct me I'd appreciate it. Just thinking, at one time, I had my brothers Denon, I believe that it was a DP60L Might be wrong, but I had it for about 2 months doing a few mods, 1 repair and some adjusting, but this table had interchangeable arm tubes a low mass straight arm and a medium mass s arm both worked well. ", Sound Media Group Pty Ltd In my experience other desirable features when considering a tonearm include: a single unbroken run of cable between cartridge pins and phono preamp input connectors; low friction bearings; proper damping; ability to adjust every parameter to optimise VTA, VTF, azimuth, anti-skate, overhang, alignment. The Graham features VTA adjustment on-the-fly. Then they play fine, with no noise, no grunge. by kitemap 10 Feb 2008 10:01, Post I have also had a newer Throens 850 which I think is tremendously quiet, very black backgrounds, in a simple, but well excecuted bearing, heavy platter, good motor with belt drive system. Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. Thanks a lot guys, I just googled a few different tonearms and only just noticed that in all of them, the headshell is offset. As you guys said. I November 11, 2009 in Vinyl and Turntables. by analogous 10 Feb 2008 16:27, Post I have not found a good substitute for great bearings and a massive platter. Is one tone arm better than the other with tracking regarding a straight design versus a curved design? Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > coppercitymt New Member. Over lap the runs by HERE, TO CHECK THE WINNERS LIST. Could this mean that Keith is considering a turntable and is quietly working out his options? Should we watch this space??? Cheers wolster 4.3 out of 5 stars 731. A wall mounted shelf would help if you can find a load bearing wall that goes to a major support in the basement or the crawl space. that is one of the reasons. I curremtly have a Rega P3 which I really enjoy for not only it's sonic qualities, but it's utter simplicity. The reason you would choose to buy a turntable with a straight arm as opposed to a curved arm is for scratch control. A straight tone arm has a completely different position, angle and range of grip and is set-up so DJs can scratch with high precision without the worry of skipping records. Thanks. If the azimuth cannot be fixed by the limited headshell adjustment, you really need to return the cart you bought, you have a cartridge problem not a tonearm problem. Price: $21,000. Check your crawl door for proper fit and make sure it closes snuggly and is lockable. I know the answer, there is an important reason! I read Robert Greene's review of the SL1200G in TAS last night. I also own another VPI HW19 fitted with an SME Series III, another "S" shaped arm and have owned this one since 1989. So it isn't quite so stout as I'd like. One of my theories is that 20 years ago when I lived in someone's basement during college, perhaps the vinyl picked up some mildew? Light weight straight tone arms have the increased risk of unwanted resonance due to standing resonance waves along the entire length. that stright tonearms can't be in equilibrium position, becauseone side of the bearings get more pressure than the, The world's largest high-end audio community. the rest of arms as pointed prior either curved or with s-shaped tube. Santa will bring me a record vacuum cleaning system this year or there is going to be trouble. "In the golden age of vinyl back in the 70s selling at Tech Hifi, Lafayette and Radio Shack I always levitated to tables with straight arms. Straight configurations can be reconfigurable into various sets. OK, here goes. J and Straight arms mostly use proprietary headshells, or non at I see these outrageous prices for them and the majority have straight and some have curved like the SME. The two bends add rigidity to vibration compared to a straight tube and flexural waves will be attenuated. Discussion in 'Turntables' started by coppercitymt, Aug 28, 2012. Sound Media Group Pty Ltd Well what we usually refer to as "straight" arms are not actually straight, as the cartridge is offset. Longer arms more closely approximate a tangent but their higher moving mass involves other compromises such as reduced rigidity. All they need is a 1" hole to get through. I replaced 100% of the house wring a few years ago, and had to do considerable structural work on this house. Home Forums > AudioKarma Audio Forums > Turntables > I want to update everyone on David's journey. There's no real advantage to curved arms. An entry level Dual from the '70's, a Denon DP-52F (which I still use in my office But then again you could fill a book with stuff I don't know. I disassembled the arm and discovered that the yellow earth wire was not connected on the tonearm side and only to the eart stud on the turntable. Tonearm, After 30+ years spinning vinyl I do believe MF is right about owning some type of record vacuum cleaning system. Cleanliness is next to Godliness in trying to extract all the gooves have to offer. HERE. (The solder connections at the bottom of the arm to the interlink to the phono stage came adrift). Straight Arm Wear! Could this mean that Keith is considering a turntable and is quietly working out his options? The weather has been good right now, but it still seems like a spring project to me. Once, I figured maybe putting that curve in an arm would add off axis mass and help with anti-skating forces by adding mass to the side of the needle that was on the part of the groove facing inward? by Paladin 10 Feb 2008 19:09, Post there are perfectly straight arms, but they're mostly used for DJ scratching. Well what we usually refer to as "straight" arms are not actually straight, as the cartridge is offset. A real straight dj tonearm has horrible tra But my Prime, with it's heavy platter, excellent bearing and tripple belts, and aided by Phoenix Engineering Roadrunner Tachometer and Eagle PSU, is it's equal both measurably and sonically. I plan to use the CARDAS tone arm wire as it is quite affordable. The shape of the tonearm is important in so far as it affects the torsional rigidity of the tonearm. The tone arm angle is called offset angle This should be fixable with a few things from Home Depot or Lowes. You can have S, J, straight, flat floppy NAD, or what ever arm shape, but the stylus is at a point and angled in a specific direction, and that what matters. If so, this just became a spring project. In my experience other desirable features when considering a tonearm include: a single unbroken run of cable between cartridge pins and phono preamp input connectors; low friction bearings; proper damping; ability to adjust every parameter to optimise VTA, VTF, azimuth, anti-skate, overhang, alignment. Straight is generally more used for scratching, but the differences in sound quality aren't super pronounced. I appreciate whatever advice you have to offer. by Paladin 10 Feb 2008 16:20, Post Many trials and tests later, Im finally happy to introduce The DHC STR8 ARM for Technic 1200s series. Australian Business Number 38 650 151 296. The table was always jumpy, I know because I used it in college and always had the best luck when it was mounted on a shelf. Lets address the floor issue first. Frustrated with 1200s after switching from DNB/breaks to How do you build your way up to doing a full hour-long set? Since the shortest, most efficient line from the bearing to the needle would be a straight line, I could only relate to straight arms. I intentionally left out the head shell angle to keep the concept simple. by Paladin 10 Feb 2008 18:31, Post The Vestax arm is short, thus has no overhang. In a high fidelity arm, the needle will "overhang" the spindle by 1/2" or so. To save space. Yes, I meant straight up to the headshell. Related question: Has there ever been a curved or "s" shaped unipivot arm? I guess I could compare my straight fixed headshell & my curved removable headshell arm wands on my EA-10 tonearm and see if there is much difference in sound. My order of importance is:1.) You may have to register before I would not trade an sub $500 table for it. Same reason I believe behind long tonearms and parallel tracking tonearms. Ideally one continuous length from cartridge pins to RCA plugs. "He'll never know! This is why manufacturers like SME and Kuzma use tapered arm wands and Continuum uses the cigar shape. Its OK Keith. I've never really been able to figure out what the difference is and I've only ever owned S shaped arms. So, Warwick, are you saying that an S shaped arm would have more torsional rigidity but at the expense of more mass? I've never really been able to But most of the main points were made. Using the same cartridge, the two TTs/arm combinations do sound somewhat different, but as to which is "better" or more "accurate" I cannot say. There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread. It will depend on the material used for the wand itself and the amount and type of damping material used inside to prevent ringing. I'm looking for a table under $3500, not vintage. June 7, 2010 in General Hi-Fi Discussion. It is the quality of workmanship, bearing and materials that make the difference. I'm only being curious!!! The curved or "S" shaped arm always seemed like they did nothing except to add mass. Thanks for the helpful post, YS. Take a look at this! Does anyone know of this type of Somehow, the OP's actual question about pivoted tonearms with straight vs curved arm tubes (or "wands") got completely lost as the discussion turned to turntable and speaker mass. But in practice fact of the matter is Ive never had results with S arms like with straight and most quality tables these days use straight probably for good reason. LOL. Straight gives you better tracking (needle stays in groove) at the expense of worse record wear. Most DJ arms are "underhung" to aid in scratching, whereas straight tonearm with an offset headshell used for accurate audio replay are overhung. by nubie1 10 Feb 2008 05:26, Post However, it does mean that the "pull" of the stylus in the groove is now being applied at an angle to the pivot point, instead of directly. But in general S and J shaped arms tend to be heavy and straight ones light. What's the difference between a straight or S shaped tonearm? Once you have a cartridge mounted, you have established a fixed relationship between the arm/needle and the platter/LP. Let me see if I can make a cave man drawing to show you. Sorry to disappoint you guys but properties like stiffness depend greatly on type of material, mechanical properties of the material, length to diameter ratio, you can't just say J shape better than straight pipe or vice versa. I still have a vintage Project DR1/220 in my "70's" system in my home office that still works and sounds greatfor what it is. Interesting thoughts on the subject. All original. If my fading memory still serves me well enough, my recollection is that the 'S' arm shape was aimed at modifying the resonant frequency of the arm - where the straight arm was favoured by those that felt that the lower mass was more important. Sound Media Group Pty Ltd. All Rights Reserved. For LP's I have recently cleaned, I don't need to wet clean them again for awhileI just put 'em on the turntable and dry-brush them with the Hunt. I've got a couple hundred LP's sitting here that I "gave up on" ten years ago because everytime I went to play them, my phono needle either got clogged with lint/dust or some sort of grungy substance. All of these turntables have had straight tonearms. The SpJ tonearm as used on the La Luce Centoventi turntable uses the secondary pivot to stabilize the arm. With all this said, Ive spent countless hours on creating the best straight tone arm possible for Technics 1200s. I think the best way is to try the Audio Craft AC3000MC / AC4000MC with multiply armtubes of the different shapes. You can tell the two different straight arm types apart very easily by seeing where the stylus lands relative to the spindle. This creates torque on the pivot, and that torque is the reason for anti-skate. No worries.we understand. Our publication is supported by its audience. Hello, I cant seem to track down my favorite type of turntable of all time, the one that allows both an s-arm ( curved ) and a straight arm. I did not know that the Continuum has a secondary bearing, I thought it was a unipivot. Cartridge/Phono stage2.) Going from there to the turntable, they attract some dust from the air because of the static the VPI cleaning generates. I experienced quite a lot of hum even before the wire harness got damaged. CJO, I was just browsing through and came upon your post. Several type of arms here, straight, curved, S, J and others. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I think a straight arm is best, all else being equal. That phrase, "all else being equal", is essential, as a good turntable with an S-shaped arm is much better than a piece of junk table with a straight arm. Mike Thiel and Madeline12 like this. What is really funny is that all record lathes have linear arms and direct drives. What's frustrating with all of this is when I placed the vinyl on the platter, to my eye it would appear perfectly clean, and even so, I would still clean it with a distilled water/alcohol solution. On an axe head, the poll is there specifically to act as a counter balance to the bit. I don't think any of the above is of importance. Just bring the arm over to the spindle. Question, how much would i need to psend to make a real upgrade of my current setup, and/or is there another path I need to consider? In those arms, the geometry work out to the same thing although they get there differently. But as you say, I should only have to do it once, and doing it will have benefits beyond the sonic variety. Perhaps would work for me as well? TT manufacturers began making them because the convenience of removable headshells allow for quick cartridge swaps and easy setting of the offset angle. The longer the tonearm is the less the offset angle needs to be and therefore the lower the tracking error. I much prefer the nice curves of my tonearm to a stiff rod. by JaS 10 Feb 2008 10:18, Post BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven. If you like the sound of it make sure you are buying 1 or 2 replacement stylii for it as they may become in short supply as Shure has stopped making the Type V MR. Let me know if you have other issues. Is one tone arm better than the other with tracking regarding a straight design versus a curved design? The advantage is the ability to place the cartridge square in the headshell and achieve offset angle. At your price point, you can consider going a refurbished Sota and start looking for a good condition Graham 2.2 arm or similar. By S-Curved tonearm. BradOlson, Jan 8, 2003 #2. He is up and about and functioning similar to his old self. What brf and Lewm said is correct and now add helomech. I own an SL1200GAE and have done so for about a year now. a curved arm of the right profile could be statically balanced by distributing the mass equally on either side of the "imaginary" straight line connecting the pivot to the stylus. A Rega P5maybe! Home Forums > AudioKarma Audio Forums > Turntables > AK IS19 YEARS OLD, SO WE'RE HAVING A RAFFLE. I even went out and purchased a new cartridge and needle and still happened. Powered by Invision Community. I am reminded of the wisdom of Bertrand Russell, "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.". ", S arms are usually higher mass, often used with MC cartridges. My question: What are the advantages/disadvantages of each, sonic or otherwise? This design totally reduces the 2. Hope this helps. Thanks for any input. This leaves a bunch of crud on the brush, which I sweep off with a dry sponge. Was wondering if some vinyl gurus on SNA could clear up a question I have had for a while. A linear tonearm has zero tracking error. Linear tracking arms also have their own set of compromises and, if Continuum Audio Labs is any sort of yardstick, their "real world" performance can be matched or bettered by pivoted arms. More specifically, physics and ultimately, how nice your music sounds. The wire was pulled into the arm tube but stopped halfway to the cartridge end. By clicking links on our site, we may earn affiliate commission, but our editorial remains entirely independent and unbiased. Say an isolation platter?. What turntable are you going to get Keith? Roy Gandy, designer and manufacturer of the game-changing Rega pickup arms,proselytizes that it is a straightwandwhich can be made stiffer than an S-shaped one. And the electronics sit against a load bearing wall, so finding good support isn't a problem. There is no doubt that tonearm geometry is critical when you get to analyzing minute resolving powers of the best, but your drive system is the heart-beat of vinyl. I am hoping you live in the southern U.S. and not tyrying to do this in Buffalo or Chicago right now. The GAE has a double gimball bearing arrangement. curved sounds better on vinyl and produces less record wear. Our publication is supported by its audience. By Continuum used shape optimisation software to arrive at their unusual design which is hardly the same as the idea behind a simple tapered arm tube. As you guys said. Post When I was younger one of the best TT packages I owned was a Technics SP10 direct drive with one of 2 "S" shaped SME arms. Does anybody know where and how I should earth the tone arm? So, who first promulgated that thought, Bertrand Russell or William Butler Yeats? As does the Basis Vector. With those, one gives up correct tracing geometry to get more reliable scratching without the arm skipping. Maybe it is just improvements in materials and engineering mean that S shaped arms are just not necessary any more. As far as my phono stage goes I don't think it's a problem. IF YOU JOINED ON JUNE 25TH TO JULY 18TH, GO. When using the Fozgometer I find the ability to adjust azimuth on the fly withthe vernier adjustment on my Well Tempered Classic arm veryconvenient opposed tothe crudely limited head-shell adjustment of my S shaped Technics arm. I think its just wrapped up as a xmas pressie. Why is it that most of todays cost no object SOTA arms employ a straight arm tube. Clifton. My small dilemma is that I want to get a turntable like a Denon or a Kenwood to match my system. It is definitely apparent that straight arms with offset headshells are the dominant shape these days but I've never really investigated why this is the case. I always felt that the curved arms were more 'mellow' and straight ones more 'clinical', but it probably had more to do with the cartridges people chose, I never heard any truly objective testing. A nod's as good as a wink and all that, (guess which one is Keith and which is Jake:p), Keith - I'm choking on my afternoon tea as I can't speak. I upgraded to a McIntosh 6500 integrated amp a couple years ago, but by then I was sick of the skips. PLEASE RECHECK THE WINNERS LIST. It looks like the OP is looking for a table that comes with an arm included. What "game" was changed by Rega pick-up arms? I have a Thorens TD 160 which has been my main turntable since 1976 with V15-Vmrx cartricge. The real key to me of any TT system is the drive systemhow quiet and how isolated from air and earth-born vibrations is the platter/chassis? The table you have is decent for sure. At the time, I didn't compare, we exchanged them based on the cartridge. With the movement to non removable headshells I would imagine it was simpler and cheaper to just have a straight arm wand. Keep it locked. Comon' can somebody help before I spend too much for actually nothing. I regret ever selling them. They may not be suitable for your installation, because it depends on how well isolated the table location might be. Dismiss Notice; S-shaped arm vs linear tracker vs straight arm? I found a homeless man living under a single-woman's house onceno kidding. Then I gave up thinking about it and stuck with straight arms. Ive made extreme examples and the sketches are quick and primitive but I you should be able to see the evolution of arm shapes and how the longer arm, even though folded, must have a further offset giving a larger TT. Since it has been a couple of months, I don't know if you have solved your dust bunny problem, but here's what I do to LP's that habitually offend. Try and relocate the wires if you can. I have thought about going into the dirt crawl space and reinforcing the floor from below. Then I realized I had it backwards, so maybe that extra mass on the outside caused some torque/rotation in the arm and "rotated" the needle in such a way that it was able to more forcefully push on the outer facing groove and resist the skating force of the inner facing groove. The choice of arm (mass being a key issue) is generally dictated by cartridge matching (compliance), so you're usually nudged toward the curved camp or the straight camp by your cartridge. An overhung straight tonearm on a DJ turntable has a tracking error of between -6 and +17 degrees depending on how far through the record you are, which, compared to other tonearm Then I would put the patio block down on top of the vapor barrier and do your supports as you see fit. Any shelf construction tips would be appreciated as I'm an electrician, not a carpenter. Hi, for those bros have played enough with turntables: is there significant difference between the straight arm design vs the curved arm (J-shape, like the SL1200) in terms of sound quality? I'll be interested in seeing the arm shape explanations that come in here! One problem with the house is that it's an FHA home with 2x3" studs on load bearing walls, and 2x2s on dividing walls. Sckott Hand Tighten Only. It would have been easier to have the collet type of connection in straight alignment with the armtube and achieve the required offset angle by bending the tube. I don't think we will ever be able to measure/listen anyway as no one manufactures two models of the same tonearm with detachable and fixed headshells. Your cable company in their laziness may have run their wires thru your vents, rather than drill the appropriate hole, and ripped your vent screens. An entry level Dual from the '70's, a Denon DP-52F (which I still use in my office system) and a Rega P3-24 which I currently use in my main system. Jump to content Keith_W, I am not sure which of these two TTs is the better of the two. Another marketing gimmick that doesn't produce any discernable difference under real playback conditions. Either can sound very good if matched to the rest and set up properly I believe but personally Ive always had better luck with straight tonearms. Scratch DJs prefer a straight arm, possibly due to the physics of the vinyl moving back in the opposite direction, I never remember. I dont think it makes any difference,its all about the design of the arm. So I dry brush them once again while spinning on the turntable, using a Hunt EDA Mark 6 brush ($20 from Acoustic Sounds) for this final swipe. In fact I've spent entirely too much time in there. With DVS, it doesn't really matter that much. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Agree with the 2nd part - very nice to have all those adjustment features - even if only one of my arms has all of those. I hope I am not spoiling your day. As an Amazon Associate, we may earn commissionsfrom qualifying purchases from Amazon.com. We all argue until the cows come home, and beyond, about which is the best alignment and so on, but any alignment can probably be achieved in any arm, though it may look odd. Straight vs. curved tonearms - Vinyl and Turntables - StereoNET International Vinyl and Turntables Straight vs. curved tonearms By Keith_W, November 11, 2009 in Vinyl Over the last 40 years I have owned 3 turntables. If you follow the angle of the headshell backward in a straight line, you'll see that it puts the pivot point waaaaaaay off to the right. The SpJ tonearm as used on the La Luce Centoventi turntable uses the secondary pivot to stabilize the arm. S arms were, among other things, an attempt to add length to the tonearm, since most tonearms are limited in length because they need to fit inside the space that is occupied by the turntable when the dust cover is closed. SME is making some very long straight tonearms for their high end turntables - over 233 mm. There are so many variables and connections in any one system ( let alone the variables in the LP's) that the I find no real difference between tonearms with fixed headshells or curved arms with detachable headshells , except for the the ultimate question - do you like the sound of the tonearm. StereoNET (Australia) is part of an international network of publications owned wholly by Sound Media Group (Australia). When your are down there you might also want to do a couple of things: Clean out all wood debris that you can; put down a poly vapor barrier under the entire crawl space that you can reach and leave about a 1-2 foot rim of exposed dirt at the outer inside-edge by the cement block foundation; check your cross vents and make sure they have good screen and wire mesh on them to keep rodents out!!!. One or two supports may be enough the solidify the foot-fall vibrations as you walk. Its more for at home HiFis. i love the look of straight arms. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by PBo, Aug 6, 2010. So, why is it that the majority of modern tonearms are straight? I must have been blind or something! Whats one house track you are obsessed with and have to How do you remember track names? My question was prompted by the TAS review of the Technics SL-1200G in their current issue. $29.99 $ 29. You'll just wish the previous owner had done it for you. Over lap the runs by about 3-4 inches. I would not say that straight or S shape is per se the determining factor regarding sound quality.
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